“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” – H. G. Wells, A Short History of the World (1922)
The Internet had a world-changing impact on businesses and the global community over the twenty years from 1994 to 2014. In the next ten years, change will happen even faster.
As Hillary Clinton’s Senior Advisor for Innovation, our guest travelled nearly a million miles to forty-one countries, the equivalent of two round-trips to the moon. From refugee camps in the Congo and Syrian war zones, to visiting the world’s most powerful people in business and government, his travels amounted to a four-year masterclass in the changing nature of innovation.
In his book The Industries of the Future, he distils his observations on the forces that are changing the world. He highlights the best opportunities for progress and explains how countries thrive or sputter. He examines the specific fields that will most shape our economic future over the next ten years, including robotics, artificial intelligence, the commercialisation of genomics, cybercrime and the impact of digital technology.
Blending storytelling and economic analysis, he answers questions on how we will need to adapt and gives us a vivid and informed perspective on how sweeping global trends are affecting the ways we live, now and tomorrow.
We welcome, technology policy expert, startup advisor, former US president Obama administration adviser, senior adviser for innovation to secretary Clinton, former Baltimore school teacher, and New York Times bestselling Author of “The Industries of the Future” Alec Ross.
- How change feels so far
- The five superpowers of robotics
- Robotic carers in Japan
- Autonomous vehicles
- Regulating algorithms
- The societal impact of autonomous vehicles
- The need for a new social contract
- The industry of genetic code
- The genetic repair of cancer
- Designer babies
- We talk:
- How change feels so far
- The five superpowers of robotics
- Robotic carers in Japan
- Autonomous vehicles
- Regulating algorithms
- The societal impact of autonomous vehicles
- The need for a new social contract
- The industry of genetic code
- The genetic repair of cancer
- Designer babies
- Digital Currencies
- Interdisciplinary learners
- Expertise in technologies and humanities
- Education for tomorrow
- Election Tampering
- Creating Technology Hubs
- Diversity and Innovation
- Open versus closed systems
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[0:13] Adopt a parrot now as ever is natural and acceptable imperative HG wells nineteen twenty two.
[0:22] The internet has the world changing impact over twenty years from nineteen ninety four 2 2014 in the next ten years change will happen even faster.
What’s hillary clinton’s senior adviser for innovation today’s guest travel nearly a million miles to forty one countries did cleveland of two roundtrip to them.
[0:42] Refugee council of the congo and syrian war zones to visiting the world’s most powerful people in business and government is traveling am and two of your master class in the changing nature of innovation.
[0:55] When is book the industry of the future it still says operations on the forces that are changing the world the highlights the best opportunities for progress and explains what country stripes or spots.
Examines the specific fields that will most economic future over the next ten years including robotics artificial intelligence the commercial reservation on genomics cybercrime and the impact of digital technology.
[1:21] Blending story telling and economic analysis answers questions on why we will need to adopt and give the second favorite an informed perspective on hi sweeping global trends affecting the ways we live now and tomorrow.
We are coming technology policy expert startup advisor.
[1:39] Former obama administration advisor former senior advisor of innovation to secretary clinton.
[1:46] Former baltimore school teacher a new york times best-selling author of the industry of the future i’ll across welcome to the show
thanks for having my goodness the way you introduce me to dislike my mother was introducing me
thanks good a to b on your show how are u or your mom have to work in the masculinity of my voice then i got so good it’s great to be young showing really enjoyed this book it’s so
finally not completely years old now,
more time than ever and its great to see somebody with such a diverse background thats working government unforeseen change in the informing change as needed so much in the public sector,
will you nice to say that you know it’s funny when i first wrote the industry future when i was getting into it some of it’s felt sort of star trek a little bit like science fiction,
my goodness so i actually happening now absolutely in general and that’s one of the problems is people still think this is so far away from happening but it’s up on a sunday it’s happening in the background silently all over the world
that’s exactly right i mean look at her up and call country whole mind that we’re always about place and the united states called west virginia.
[3:00] And i saw really close up would it means if you don’t adapt if you don’t modern eyes
the world goes on around you mean the world will keep spinning me keep modern eyes and i keep changing,
if you just sort of set there and close your eyes and your fists up and try to continue to do things the way boys damn,
i want to leave you behind anywhere i go up again in those roles of cool country.
[3:28] It’s like stepping back in a history book but not particularly nice history but you know people who are people are struggling people are angry and it’s because the unwilling to recognize how fast.
[3:43] And how for real,
make changes in the world driven by globalization driven by changes in technology driven by changes in science get ahead of me where i can leave behind,
yeah new set the scene of the book exactly that way what’s your summer job is in midnight channel which utilization this was a must time jobs for older people who use to work in coal mines
call mines use to be in order to get the coal out of the mountain yes anthem and down with a shovel.
And now you got machines that do the work of the oceans of man show all of those coal miners had end up doing other way.
Answer me growing up in that world you know when i was working as a midnight janitor little thing up.
Set after people had too much drink after going to.
[4:34] I was actually going to university of the time that the people working alongside be a lot of them warm and in their forties and fifties.
[4:43] Who otherwise would’ve been down in the mines with union wage job been left behind by the changes and they had no other choice.
Use doctor introduced the concept of automation can you start the robot conversation with the fact that you discovered first time
invite coupons aging population with twenty five percent of japan’s population is ages sixty five or older and reached thirty nine percent by twenty fifty,
yes fascinating hundred ninety six countries and plan a gurl hundred ninety six to the country with the world’s oldest living citizen.
Is japan the average life expectancy for women is now that he reefer madness about it and its fairly old and then you got this huge percentage of the population above the age of sixty five,
no longer working.
Anti immigration policies and not enough grandchildren city of god all of these other people without their grandchildren or the low wage help to help your business grow older
i’m here you introduce the robots robina and i seem to be great if it share that with the audience deactivate the stranger things i’ve ever encountered in my life,
our water club in japan called elder care robots.
And that’s exactly what it sounds like if you think about elder care right now who is taking care of that spray of a five year old grandmother today.
[6:08] Well it’s usually oh god your granddaughter maybe it’s some emigrate help some low-cost help somebody who flew in from is living there from eastern europe or something like that.
Well in japan there aren’t enough children and grandchildren there are enough.
Emma grants or otherwise low-cost it’s a little creative.
[6:33] Elder care robots and so i see more examples to understand what you think about what is a robot can i do.
For all other people will it everything from open left people out of a bath tub choose who playing the violin to entertainment.
It’s clearly remarkable and for me it was a little disturbing some people love it some people find the right name,
it has been remarkable to learn about it and actually not in a movie
but in real life i find that really fascinating that you talk about the religion practice percent of japanese i’m not religion inclusive of animals am i not there be interesting to show the speakers,
here in the west we see an animated object as an object from a sheen but in japan they believe that objects have soles as well
no that’s right i mean if my father’s and my mother is in her late seventies and if i would imagine ten years from now.
[7:34] Having a robot take care of this seems almost cruel and inhumane to make it seem like i actually would be a bad side to allow something like that to happen.
Did the japanese had a very different cultural bias in the west.
Where we are rooted in traditional the day of christian values were taught that these are in fact machines they are so luscious.
What can a lot of eastern religions including shipping which you mentioned this practice by about eighty percent of japanese people hey holds the average object.
[8:12] Has a salt rocks on the ground robot and say they don’t have the ultra hang out.
That we do in the west things like robotic.
So where you might feel terribly have a robot freind the violin chair.
[8:31] Will the grandparents or parents in the united states or in ireland or somewhere in with a different set of cultural values that can be reversed,
what’s my friend really interesting from years for me research that china and japan and korea for example all felt,
the west gotta head of the multi internet still on the march in the innovation or the next wave the next industrial revolution but they are not gonna let that happen when it comes to robotics and maybe on trisha intelligent as well,
over ninety percent of the robots in the world come from just five countries are in the west germany and the united states,
but the other banks three rd and south korea and china in the way which in the west view automation and robotics.
Add peanut butter but red and the fourth is it viewed it as more of an opportunity,
enable wind resources such and there is a better race at least between the united states and china now we’ve gone from world with a cold war,
to a hood one,
where in areas including artificial intelligence is sort of a competition to see who is going to be the master of the industry so the future.
[9:51] And in artificial intelligence and robotics the chinese in particular has proven willing to spend an almost infinite amount of money
i need to have a really sharp strategy you see the robotics industry been akin to the internet transit what’s my wee twenty years ago where in the infinite sea of where it’s gonna go
requiero the industry of the future is i graduated from university and nineteen ninety four and nineteen ninety four,
twenty five years ago from today was a fascinating time is when,
the internet as we know it became real things like the web browser e commerce search engine all of those came out right around the same time.
When i was graduating from university twenty five years ago and i just feel like today.
Where add another one of those moments and i wrote the industries of the future because i wish twenty five years ago.
Where someone hit and hey there’s a sinkhole the internet here is how it’s gonna change communication here is how is gonna change commerce here is how it’s gonna change how we gettin share information,
so i wrote the industry so the future because i do believe that and feels from artificial intelligence robotics,
who are other fields that will talk about it like where we were twenty five years ago record of chapter one page one.
[11:18] Forward something where we’re going to read right.
District it’s a fascinating time any brings promise rings peril you know i’m not utopian i’m not a dystopian bringing good and it’s bad,
record what i’m hoping when you know the industry so the future is that,
people won’t understand a little bit about how if you understand the world the cum how do you maximize the process.
And how do you minimize the barrel of the changes to come if you don’t understand it’s like you’re surfing are you in the water and your just hoping you gay,
drifted in the right direction any mention at the start the two people who even pick up your book even though it’s a new york times bestseller
many people feel like that’s a fire it’s too distant in the future i wonder if there objections i always get when i talk about your talk to bed
i need to talk to genomics inside of people don’t get how that’s way in the future that’s not gonna affect my business it already is and what are the ones that is kinda tropical,
more than robotic surgery in the west is autonomous vehicles any self driving cars etc be great so your findings and not run,
alto a quick story that does not reflect well on me but i’ll tell it anyway when i first heard about a driverless car.
I would like to write this is too far a car that drives itself m.
[12:41] And the time this is a few years ago everybody called the google heart because there was a fizz over a google thing that.
[12:48] And i was in a band and the founders of google were there and i know my bet no one up to send flowers a driverless car this isn’t possible.
[12:58] And the convince me to come to campus an do a bit of a demo.
And i got to campus and i got in the car i got in the backseat put on my seatbelt.
[13:09] The snow driver and a french speaker the car had no steering wheel,
can you pick and drive it first it felt like a bit of a car ride at a carnival you know that kind of thing ive got these kids and three kids and it reminded me of sort of that car you take for your hair to add an amusement park.
[13:28] In the parking lot when i think of spending billions of your unwanted could you write.
What kind of car pulled out of the parking lot when on the road headed did not find the highway.
Already kilometers in our fifty kilometers in our sixty kilometers in our eighty kilometers an hour.
I gotta tell you i was thinking about my kids and i would like somebody’s gonna die either i’m going to die but somehow i’m going to survive and feel the google guy.
[13:57] We got on the lights in a scary highway in california highway one hundred one five lane.
Remember i’m in the backseat nobody is in the front page there is no driver there is no steering wheel,
and i’m freaking out i mean goodness there is no video camera in the car i just let’s just say whats up my most masculine
ok you can always be so scared for so long and after like six or seven min and like all my god it works it works,
eventually we looked around went back to the google campus promises to say that the idea of an optometrist vehicle it’s not hypothetical based on the theoretical based on a maybe,
it’s already happening here is already being delivered in the united states on eighteen wheel trucks going from the bottling factory to the warehouse.
Add the question now is,
you know what’s technological more regulatory umm you know how are we gonna manage these things we know what to do if a driver makes mistake and getting a mistake what would we do if an algorithm make the mistake.
You know i think that this is going back to my earlier point about there being both good and bad with this change i think it’s good and that we won’t let these things on the road unless they are substantially safer than human drivers.
What is bad in that think about the millions of people who make an income in a pretty good income by the way don’t require university degrees driving the vehicle and now imagine a world where that job isn’t available anymore,
so this is at the atomic vehicle what you think is gonna happen in twenty or thirty years is going to happen i believe in five years.
[15:40] And it’s gonna happen with summary of it in the marketplace disruptive isn’t over use words but i do think this is gonna be disrupted,
we as humans we are really resistant to change and it’s really hard to wrap your head around all the changes that this will mean i dont even say might mean,
could you also the one point three million people die every year in car crashes so we know that but also this tune to have many people in the us alone or living this way then you look at,
and aging population this can be more people alive.
We need more need a what ever light on the economy in the past maybe driving uber maybe driving a taxi service in the europe that would be the way they are gonna be gone this can be more people alive because last people dying,
this is gonna cause you problems that we’re not ready for.
That’s right and like this is why i think we need a new social contract theory what’s a social construct a social contract that which defines the relationship between government.
Set as in incorporation and in europe in the united states we had basically.
Who major forms of social contract in the last several hundred years during the agricultural winter was feeling so,
the work week with six days a week you know taking off on last sunday the day of our lord and the workday was any number of however many hours of sunlight there was no issues with the working hours.
[17:09] When is social contract then was no.
The hazard the low-income people lived on the land of the lord’s the lords help that plans for the nobility on a exchange for taxes for
share the cross sell of the said it and with the onset of industrial is a shit and the migration and labor a from,
farm to factory from country to city.
We need a new social contract and that’s why things like the minimum wage the forty hour work week.
The five day work week free public education until your eighteen years old a pension child labor laws all of these for part of a new social contract.
It came with industrial insulation we’re now removing industrial and two entirely new kind of economy,
when the technology knowledge base in a world where people are increasingly living to be ninety years old but they don’t necessarily have pensions because instead of having one job for thirty years they had thirty jobs in thirty years,
the old industrial age program the order industrial average social contract doesn’t hold anymore so picture.
[18:26] What we need to really make it.
For the next thirty forty years in the twenty-first century is the new social contract entirely new relationship between corporations between government and instead.
We don’t have enough i like roses and government are in government policy or pushing regulation or even examinations and travelling like you did something ministers of innovation etc but moving on from obama and from thomas collett disable australian dollar industry built on the code of one zero zł
the next will be built on around genetic code let’s talk about your research in genomic technology and caring that acting concert for example,
sure yeah i live in baltimore maryland
add one of the wonderful things about baltimore maryland is a local university called johns hopkins with one find his medical institutions in the world.
Add when i learned in the lives of johns hopkins.
Is exactly as you said the walls last trillion dollar industry was built a computer code in the world ‘s next train dollar industries can we build out of genetic code.
[19:32] The day i was born i’m not very although i don’t think i’m in my forties the day i was born of life it’s global life expectancy was fifty eight.
Today seventy one how old is global life expectancy continue on that trajectory from fifty eight to seventy one n dat.
When we take it as it is true,
the commercial was a mix by which i mean that you’re able to do things like diagnose cancer,
one one hundred the size of both can be detected by an mri know right now i go to the door.
[20:14] It’s increase in the case that people are not getting the genetic material in there.
No blood pressure than you able to identify cancer cells early stage one is supposed to the stages three and four the only found in now it makes fighting cancer a lot easier.
The combination of being able to address diseases.
More precisely combined with personalized medicine i think is going to change medicine as we know that i wont make behind the weather health care and medicine is practiced today
primitive by comparison and three years
no personalization goes to a dark side as well you talk about that you know makes all of designer babies for example
that’s exactly right i mean the same.
[21:05] Technology that can be used to figure out to do genetic repair and say oh my goodness this individual.
Has a twelve percent genetic disposition to parking since we are now well that child is still in euro we’re going to repair the damaged proteins.
And engage with the DNA level to decrease the probability of that child getting parkinson’s from twelve percent to two percent.
I feel good about the trial of the things that you can do united decrease the likelihood of me getting parkinson’s from twelve percent to two percent do it.
What is the doctor.
Smh johns hopkins what’s the down side of it any good designer babies are you sure everybody’s in favor of reducing the likelihood that you can get our consent.
What if you are able to tell the parents oh yeah this is gonna be a exchange with brown eyes and parents a will we make the lights blue.
[22:09] How you would be a little bit below average height say where are the things we can do to make my little beverage hi.
Answer those questions is the ability to manipulate our DNA which we are getting jessie take place now,
which like everything else in computer will accelerate on on linear basics we can have designer babies.
And the next five to ten years weve already seen lol and yes humans to hack their body weather is getting tattoos weather getting lose jobs.
There is precedent for saying right the bodies were born with are things that we can also change.
Nf we are able to change things about our children before they’ve even been worn you know that there will be people who want to do that,
you give example of to know makes robotics and automation let’s shift our attention to further work you did with what’s the qualification of money markets and trustee did lots of research in treating interviews with john
dorsey square and find of twitter on watch is one of the reasons he started the company square is the trends towards more local experiences i thought that was really interesting
no you know what’s funny in a world of globalization.
[23:33] I feel like people want things that are more local than ever before i know i do i mean i want my fruit and vegetables tim come from farmers,
not from the other side of the united states become the source locally any world of all of these conglomerate i feel like buying local and vine from small businesses,
did the invention of square actually came because i was terrified nightmare small business historically to use things like bees and mastercard,
square was invented to take the capabilities that existed inside a bigger grocery stores and bring them to small emergence,
enable payments enabling the exchange of value between people in a way that previously would’ve been quite difficult.
I’m here you say for context.
[24:24] Approximately forty billion acenta communities in africa from family brought in some countries remittance comprises much is that third of GDP
tell me about travel around the world of you traveling to middle east if you travel aromatherapy the united states you see people from all over the world,
including sri lanka and india africa and what are they doing they’re going to work and,
no no wife to children family members stay back home and the way that a really make it through you make money working on a construction site.
And just send it back to the home country.
And the terrible thing historically is it something like up to twenty five percent of wages.
Can you send me that money.
[25:17] Rama a part of the developed world of the developing world what a stuff balls off the back of the truck.
[25:25] And one of the nicest things about the creation of these more efficient digital marketplaces is the money can go from dublin to las.
Unlock more efficiently you’re not gonna lose twenty percent falling off the back of that truck off the you know what you go to the money wiring services and what have you
i’ll get on both sides a bit and send this is this is a okay so,
how did how developing technologies can actually be of great benefit to the developing world that was really interesting that one of the things he said.
Stop with soldiers and oftentimes they’re pay with cash from the government put off until hers general what’s the cache in the dz would also golden one center weeks without pay,
yeah it was a crazy story and this goes back to when i was working for hillary clinton when i was working for hillary clinton was the secretary of state,
i will send out the east congo when are the top places in the world and one of the things we traded do what with all of the corruption.
[26:29] And the local military i’m in the military is shaking everybody down for money,
we are trying to understand why is that the soldiers are just absolutely wrecking havoc out there and part of week and it’s because they are never getting paid,
anyway never getting paid because the way they were supposed to get paid is banking little the old physical paper work on a plane from kinshasa,
end flow into the eastern congo from the capitol to the east which by the way isabel could distance between frankfurt and cologne.
[27:05] And when they’re back with a plan with general would take.
[27:11] Most of the money the cardinals were then take a fair amount of it and very little of it actually got to the foot soldiers,
it’s what we it is we created an electronic payment system based on mobile phones mobile phones everywhere even in the congo we set instead we created the system so that instead of people,
having to be paid by bank note it showed up on their phone they help substantially reduced,
kraków general very angry but have you now and yeah this is based on something with first,
where in afghanistan soldiers were being paid by cash and they would then leave for a week,
everytime they got paid because it was a long walk back to the village and with little a walk for three days back to the village.
[28:02] Drop off the bank note rested and then woke this three days back
when we first without mobile payments program in place in afghanistan so people can just pay for their cell phones or send money to the village,
their cell phones without requiring a three day walk
what is the resistance and generals are gonna be resistance but this resistance alert is from gordon ryan’s to digital currency would you say this possible in the long run you’ll get more is becoming a protocol rather than their currency in itself.
The way that i think about it i do imagine that im no six seven eight years.
The world’s largest currencies will be the dollar and the you wanna delete your oh.
Did british pound and crypto currency that none of us have heard up right now i think there is a great place to be made for our global crypto currency.
I don’t think it’s gonna be a queen though and i don’t think it’s gonna be big cohen because of the falls.
[29:02] Built and two its design which i think.
Your consistent with the values of the founders of bitcoin to which make government hospital to it so for example a pseudonym.
An order i think for a cryptocurrency to really become global it has to have to actually be the opposite has to be hyper transparent.
Who is the owner is rude and identity right now crypto am one of those criticisms at one of the reasons why i could never be hostile to it is the first section that enabled,
who did the transaction illegal transactions if crypto is bill with high transparency.
And to the design and then actually can have the opposite affect i didn’t think there with bitcoin.
[29:52] Blockchain which i know you spoken about and other of your programs i do think that the blockchain technology.
Make change to the creation of bitcoin basically a distributed do think that that blockchain,
technology will increasingly become a protocol that we see more and more bitter science products,
i found a really fascinating the way you say that there will be one big when it’s kinda like the search engines that was allowed to search in toys one bag when are the end which is google.
Error eighteen search engine hs before google and then get zillion let all cryptocurrencies right now but there is an inherently.
Monopoly properties the currency you don’t wanna be constantly operating in fourteen different currency so i think it is soon as i started in google class crypto currency is help.
[30:50] I think that it can have global region global distribution moving on to another industry of the future that you were identified,
talk about the webinar is a code on this often reminds me of the force star wars that you can use the force for good or bad and suitcase with all these new technologies revenue nine cents when you protocols for all of us.
Change driven by the utilization driven by the zero zero ones of computer could increase wonderful new efficiency so instead of having to go to the library and open box to retrieve information.
[31:27] Learn anything like you had to do when i was a kid how you can google instead of having to spend,
are you real permit to make a phone call i international phone call and now it’s worth almost nothing of my boyfriend’s.
[31:42] Bye for everything that we do digitizer it creates no security challenges.
And you know i think that the weapons never heard.
Is the most significant development and complex since the weapons of his style material difference being the creation of a nuclear armed nuclear weapon requires access too scary.
[32:10] Ass care scientific balance and transylvania elements where is the creation of a cyber weapon has a much lower barrier to entry for all of the convenience and all of the wellbeing that is created by digit authorization.
Where is update of downside and it largely coming from the weapons of this digital space.
Yes people are thinking about rolls for the future if they have cerebral security specialist isn’t essential member on the boards organization today.
If u want three years of guaranteed employment get some cyber security skills,
mình every board of directors should have somebody on it with extra cheese and cyber everything executive team need somebody out with extra cheese and cyber every organization needs a cyber security strategy for cyber security.
Add this is a case where that just hasn’t been developed terminate,
massive need for all of you parents with kids thirteen fourteen fifteen years old and you like i want it what are they gonna do what i can study to take house to the safe economic future,
get me to study cyber security.
[33:23] Also maybe something like the art is well not just one discipline is not disciplinary skills to really important yeah so if you say the question right,
i don’t want to just have a job for thirty years,
but i want to be a leader i wanna you know i wanna have some mobility i want to not just have thirty hours of the middle class wage but i wanna be somebody who is imagining and inventing the future.
[33:49] Then you have to go be on science technology engineering and mathematics the real leaders and today and tomorrow’s world are interdisciplinary learning is people who come fine.
N aptitude for things that are technological a scientific mind that.
With extra cheese and something we associate with the humanities weather is communications skills.
Emotional intelligence and understanding of behavioral psychology or economics work if you are able to combine.
[34:23] Deep scale and the humidity that the deep scale an something scientific or technological your position not just to complete and tomorrow’s world but totally damaged tomorrow’s world.
What is my commercial applications while because you to address this as a father of three yourself would be grace in the current climate and your experience in government as well to mention election tampering on here you give the example of the time which was ukraine
what are the really.
Project aspects of the utilization is ben degree to which people who undermined our democracy can and i first saw this in ukraine ukraine has always been record of it cashed in ground floor.
[35:07] Russia is a weather of physical invasion the weather it’s too impatient and russia had russia with cyber attacking.
Ukraine and under reminding at selections years before i got involved in any years before i got involved in the us presidential election.
Umm you know if we have to make sure that our institutions.
And our elections are wired in a way that the guards against foreign interference.
You bring this on so to the private sector is well in your posting really fascinating question on hello here in these kind of questions and people in go from a task and these in the situation room the white is for example star when does spring cyber attacks on silicon valley giants in the past
they approach the presidential administration to raise awareness
what is their italian is the question is what a womans and they can’t retire and they were launched is active and that’s true vault i could be seen as a an active war,
i know you think about war you think about that being between.
Countries right what is the war is not is he is a conflict between a country and their country.
What is the number somewhere between eight hundred and the company i remember years ago when google what.
[36:35] What if instead of picking up the phone and calling the white house.
[36:39] Executive google said ok china you say i attacked us where we’re google,
we’ve got great engineers we are now going to assign a tag u we’re gonna steal your intellectual property where can i turn off your electrical upgrade we can use all the engineering challenge google twitter q.
Imagine that imagine how worn between countries that between countries and co ridiculous but its not.
You could absolutely have been and that’s a world that we are prepared
we don’t have a set of rules for that yet do we could you give examples of sony in the slap on the wrist from obama to the attack of the cyber attack of sony right you know you’re korea.
Cyber attacks tony first because theyre always goodies between north korea and japan in sony is a japanese company put there was a movie made by an american movie a hollywood movie,
i made by sony pictures that made fun of north korea add wechat actually included in the assassination of its leader.
So north korea cyber attacks so it didn’t enormous amount of damage to sonic obama are you know you’re real.
[38:04] Im north korea and the rest when it’s sunny outside you know what i’m sorry that’s not enough we are now going to try to.
[38:12] Destroyed the digital infrastructure LP on gang.
That would be really interesting and i wonder what the north koreans could’ve done about it we haven’t seen this happen yet but it certainly could stranger things have happened i thought about how these,
dystopian topics that we talked about the positive and negative sentiments for example it makes you know makes with.
[38:35] Bodyguard free sample and what i mean is if you can take that DNA sample of a target you can then attacked them in different ways that’s not a sniper on the roof you can talk to me contact them directly,
that’s exactly right i mean it.
Is there is a digital database of the genetic material than the ability to build a weapon.
[39:00] I can provide you at the cellular level is nothing can save it for people who think that this is far fetched,
will go back and think about the us presidential election and the idea that foreign country lower standing like rushing week or quit.
The world’s most powerful country of the united states help unless.
[39:27] Are a guy like donald trump president the roof who is cyber attack.
That would have seemed you know not even worth discussing five years ago what actually happened some time this is worst case scenario is uv go to cyber just stuffy nose.
Sometimes it actually does happen and what living with the consequences of lying here in the united states.
[39:53] Can you do mention as well as your work with the obama campaign on hold
big data played mass of roland got his fascinating story about the amount of subject lines that were tested ab test this is gonna say b c d e f g test to put words in many many more variations of the subject line tuesday to find out which one was the most effective
was it all seems like today ten years ago though you know when i was running technology policy for obamas presidential campaign this wildly innovative,
i’m part of it instead of saying it out of its real clever subject line,
can we come up with what is fifty seven a. subject lines for emails.
And then we will pass them off to see ya which had the open rates the highest in the response rates are the highest answer we just making i will make nice things to a remarkable degree.
The way we did seemed absolutely harmless you can use those same techniques in the same capabilities are the things that are harmful.
[41:00] What are the things that surprises you talk about in depth in the book is falling in love the idea of feeling alone in a very human thing and emotional thing seems like,
it should involve more human choice unless computer algorithm yet were already sitting down and getting that job over two and i agree because you said at the time of writing heard of all marriages in the us begin with my mind daisy.
Select crazy i mean i’m not saying it’s bad.
[41:30] What one out of every three married in the us,
start with an online match that is fascinating using algorithms just find your mate.
I’m looking at its good i’m not gonna say as bad i just think it’s fascinating it does the same to me.
No that’s everything we still render to algorithms will lose a little bit of life serendipity.
Are there certain things that i am happy to surrender to el cerrito algorithms are the things that are different,
umm hello what’s the third of all marriages in the us start with online dating getting to the point now where you know.
You will you little you can have computer programs identified not the outfit that is most likely to get a girl to like you,
based on what girls preferences are through her social networks,
i mean it’s fascinating the application of it stuck perfect getting bad.
[42:37] Are ignorance for the wonderful better word of handing over data and bean underwear and not caring of what’s done with you another question which is which short or should we,
have a child before the birds and bees chat with the children big data is exactly right i mean luck,
when i was a kid and i we go and always and again in the hills of coal country.
You know i run outside with my friends will be on we would not be sending or receiving any data.
My three children today either sixteen fourteen and twelve years old would like little beacons of data uno de ellos cell phones are posting all the bloody time.
And so i do think that we need to be aware that when you leave digital footprints you can’t trace app.
[43:31] Anything you do as a young person i’m glad there wasn’t facebook when i was in university i had lots of fun when i was in university i’m glad that
you was captured has me know if i can help millions a cell phone there.
Put on my kids that’s not gonna be the case you know that the stupid things you do when your eighteen years old now can live with you until you’re sixty eight,
answer the question is how are you how do you educate yourself and your children about living in a world not just serving when i take a survey on a survey on status,
you are being watched from above file is the government or corporations,
what about being observed from work every single solitary human being with the cellphone.
Is able to capture a video of you is able to capture communications of you is able to monitor what you’re doing that’s a world of balance and imbalance makes fun interesting facts.
[44:33] So dangerous for our children speaking to children you are former school teachers well in the end very very sorry is the maryland zoo and your credit is well i’m really respect and and.
Here you identified.
[44:49] That there is importance of education do not match with the importance of the private sector and the public sector or the work sector of the future,
yeah i think there are countries that do this better than other and i think,
can i see a lot of what’s happening in scandinavian norway in particular i think its very strong i see a lot of what’s happening,
places in east asia like singapore and i see them reform and their education such that the output of the education system do math to the important for private sector hiring is gonna be in where tomorrow’s world is.
What you look at what’s taking place in scandinavian you then compare with what’s going on and some of the mediterranean or europe like in android where you walk into a classroom.
And you know it’s twenty nineteen winter snow different than it was in nineteen nineteen eighty nine.
Us frankly who are our our young kids,
its more like eighteen nine eighteen nineteen and nineteen ninety you know if we are if we arent changing education to tomorrow’s world.
Where doing our children a real disservice to know more about how children learn thirty years ago we know where the jobs of the future are gonna be we continue to scale people for industrial jobs.
Add after parished of us.
[46:14] Your idea of interdisciplinary skills are really important generally if you’re still can’t pronounce turn to have two kids what should i be studying for the future.
[46:27] Industry should i be looking at what would you say.
[46:30] What it a couple things that’s a first of all in the same way everybody has to learn how to read and write even if they can become a journalist author and everybody has to learn.
Arithmetic mathematics even if they’re gonna be coming account,
search think everybody should learn the basics of computer code because computer code is the alphabet that much of the future is going to be red now so i think the basis in computer science is important i also think that that.
[46:58] That and understanding of emotional intelligence behavioral psychology and things like that are more important because in a world.
[47:08] Ugh zero zł in what’s your software is growing more powerful that which makes us both human.
Actually becomes more important than ever switch the combination ugh little mistake.
Things that are technical with a real human so that i think is going to is going to create.
[47:32] Most resilient people for tomorrow’s world.
I’d love to finish on that really positive note of it being more human in the world that’s becoming technologically last year when but,
if we’re still can if you have a skirt still has given us a question this one is one that you get past all the time and we have a lot of lifters and policy making countries in the EU for example
i’m this question often comes up when i here to ask we want to create a silicon valley what are the ingredients we need i would say don’t try to recreate silicon valley there’s only one silicon valley
nh silicon valley is the by product is sixty years sixty six zero,
years of investment world-class multiple world class universities and.
Any ecosystem that’s been decades in the development instead of just looking at silicon valley i’m saying how can create that what i believe is that.
You can create your own version of it looking at what your strongest skills are where the domain expertise exists where you live,
weather is in the agricultural data analytics what whatever it is going deep on that with the digital component.
[48:54] Yeah that’s my strong bill but i think the idea of copying silicon valley has never work if you look at the examples of places that have created their own a,
very successful walk sure i’m in entrepreneurship are there in silicon valley places like israel,
it’s not because of copy think it’s because they figured out what their who are you to are,
enable substantially invested in that,
any creating the conditions that enables entrepreneurship like access to higher state capitol and access to markets doing fine line that i pulled from the book aliquid this the twenty first century is a terrible time to be a control freak,
future growth depends on empowering people i thought that was so chipotle for lunch.
No thank you no look i think that the printable political and economic find of the twentieth century was left vs right the political left versus the protocol right.
In today’s world i think you’re the world is less about left vs right that is open vs closed you think about brexit.
[50:02] I don’t think about it being a struggle between the political left in the political right i think it’s a struggle between open and close.
And i do believe that states and societies the most orient themselves to open that.
Are gonna be the first to complete sixteen the most effective way to invite open so i don’t just mean the flow of people and capital i also made a poor economic and social mobility is not just can stream to elite.
It means that social and cultural norms are not set by central authorities,
it means that were rights respected religious minorities sexual minorities women and other i think the states and societies that do the most detailed quote open,
will be where the elevators congregate it’s already happening and i think that that will only continue
what is a beautiful way to end today show alex griffioen want to find where can i find out more about youtube kids app you can find a book just about anywhere look on amazon the industry so the future by alex cross you can find me on twitter,
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i like jay ross york times best-selling author of the industry of the future i like grosse thank you for joining us thank you it’s been fun.